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Tena koutou katoa,
In reply to Nga Patupaearehi's comment below. I am a Brick Owner and supporter of MaraeMelbourne. Nga Patupaearehi, you are obviously misinformed. MaraeMelbourne have never charged me anything. I gave a donation. I did that because I can and I wanted to.
I have been in Australia for 12 years and the move has been positive and fruitful on many levels. There are no regrets but I do miss SOME elements of home. SOME things though, I DO NOT miss. Closed and negative mindset is one. I look forward to having a Marae here in Australia.
Keep up the fantastic work MaraeMelbourne. We will keep supporting.
Wiremu
Sep 19, 2010
In reply to Nga Patupaearehi's comment below. I am a Brick Owner and supporter of MaraeMelbourne. Nga Patupaearehi, you are obviously misinformed. MaraeMelbourne have never charged me anything. I gave a donation. I did that because I can and I wanted to.
I have been in Australia for 12 years and the move has been positive and fruitful on many levels. There are no regrets but I do miss SOME elements of home. SOME things though, I DO NOT miss. Closed and negative mindset is one. I look forward to having a Marae here in Australia.
Keep up the fantastic work MaraeMelbourne. We will keep supporting.
Wiremu
Sep 19, 2010
Where to start? ok, I am also one of the very many who chose to cross the ditch, however, i have strong opinions on having a Marae built in this country. I don't think it is right, whether it be in Australia, India, America or where ever. MARAE DO NOT BELONG HERE. We all chose to be here, so live by the way of the Australian's. same goes with the arabs etc who chose to come here but yet want to still cover up their entire bodies from head to toe and start jumping up and down because they're not allowed in some places. if you want your Marae so much, go home. Don't get me wrong, i miss it dearly and i would love nothing more than to have my Marae where I can always go and visit, but the reality is, it's not here, and it never should be. These are sacred to us among other things, every carving is an ancestor and you want to bring them here aswell?? or what? just make up some new ones or whatever you people feel like doing?? it's wrong. at the end of the day. It's things like this that have changed the way Maori and it's culture are today. How much has the maori language changed since its earlier days...so much so half of it sounds almost english and this is why. everyone changes things they shouldn't. the language is almost gone where only a small percentage of maori people actually speak it. Come on people, no more stupid decisions. Bottom line. If you miss your "whare" go home, problem solved
Shar
May 26, 2011
Shar
May 26, 2011
Reply to Shar
We are all very lucky that our ancestors did not uphold the non-logic that you communicate (refer to your comment, posted May 26).
Maori migrated to Aotearoa and among many things with them came the marae. There were inhabitants in Aotearoa when they arrived so one cannot apply the tangata whenua argument that is so loosely spoken around Australia.
You speak loudly that "MARAE DO NO BELONG HERE". Your words refer to Australian's as third party so I can only assume that you have zero link with the tangata whenua. If that is the case I find it most confronting and very assumptive of you to make such a statement. What gives you the authority to speak on my behalf or if one was to maintain a truly cultural line, on behalf of the tangata whenua?
I know, because I was there, that MaraeMelbourne have received the blessing of the tangata whenua to pursue this project and to plan for the resulting complex to be built within their traditional area.
Your total lack of respect and understanding clearly shown toward other cultures that are a part of the Australian multi-national population reflects, in my opinion, very poorly. You paint a general image based on a minority action. Tut tut!
Your reference to our language, it's change and that it has almost gone is also incorrect. The behaviour of Maori has changed to embrace our surroundings. Why shouldn't our language be permitted to accomodate change too? Do you drive a car? Do you use electricity? Do you live in a western style home? Did you fly to Australia or row over in a waka? I think I successfully make my point.
As for your statement "the language is almost gone". Well I think you better rethink that one. I hear our language being spoken within the community by young and old. I agree that our language is spoken by small numbers BUT the evolving trend is increasing as opposed to decline.
My final words are to address your so called 'bottom line' - "if you miss your whare go home, problem solved". You really miss the point and misinterpret the kaupapa here. Of course I make this statement based purely on my personal view. It is quite laughable that you could possibly believe that I am attempting to duplicate the physical and spiritual elements of my marae by supporting MaraeMelbourne.
It is proper to voice ones opinion, however one steps way over the line when one feels they are empowered to issue instructions to another.
In my opinion your comments were all over the place, not based on fact, inconsistent, generalised and overall offensive to me and my family.
Well done MaraeMelbourne.
Craig
May 27, 2011
We are all very lucky that our ancestors did not uphold the non-logic that you communicate (refer to your comment, posted May 26).
Maori migrated to Aotearoa and among many things with them came the marae. There were inhabitants in Aotearoa when they arrived so one cannot apply the tangata whenua argument that is so loosely spoken around Australia.
You speak loudly that "MARAE DO NO BELONG HERE". Your words refer to Australian's as third party so I can only assume that you have zero link with the tangata whenua. If that is the case I find it most confronting and very assumptive of you to make such a statement. What gives you the authority to speak on my behalf or if one was to maintain a truly cultural line, on behalf of the tangata whenua?
I know, because I was there, that MaraeMelbourne have received the blessing of the tangata whenua to pursue this project and to plan for the resulting complex to be built within their traditional area.
Your total lack of respect and understanding clearly shown toward other cultures that are a part of the Australian multi-national population reflects, in my opinion, very poorly. You paint a general image based on a minority action. Tut tut!
Your reference to our language, it's change and that it has almost gone is also incorrect. The behaviour of Maori has changed to embrace our surroundings. Why shouldn't our language be permitted to accomodate change too? Do you drive a car? Do you use electricity? Do you live in a western style home? Did you fly to Australia or row over in a waka? I think I successfully make my point.
As for your statement "the language is almost gone". Well I think you better rethink that one. I hear our language being spoken within the community by young and old. I agree that our language is spoken by small numbers BUT the evolving trend is increasing as opposed to decline.
My final words are to address your so called 'bottom line' - "if you miss your whare go home, problem solved". You really miss the point and misinterpret the kaupapa here. Of course I make this statement based purely on my personal view. It is quite laughable that you could possibly believe that I am attempting to duplicate the physical and spiritual elements of my marae by supporting MaraeMelbourne.
It is proper to voice ones opinion, however one steps way over the line when one feels they are empowered to issue instructions to another.
In my opinion your comments were all over the place, not based on fact, inconsistent, generalised and overall offensive to me and my family.
Well done MaraeMelbourne.
Craig
May 27, 2011
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Mihi nunui kia koutou nga whanau Maori O Te Marae O Melbourne, mo to Mahi Ki Tu E Whare Puni whare Kai mo matou Iwi Katoa. Kia Tau ana Te Rangimarie ki Koutou Katoa.
Te Haina Raumaewa
May 27, 2011
Te Haina Raumaewa
May 27, 2011
I am third generation Ngati Poipiripi. I have not been lucky enough, in my life so far, to visit Aotearoa, the home of my mum and everyone before her. I have never been to a marae but have waited my whole life to have that opportunity. I was born and raised in Australia. This is my home which is why I consider myself Ngati Poipiripi. For people to tell me I don't deserve a marae as much as the next Maori is disgusting. They say thats where our ancestors are, well mine are with me IN AUSTRALIA. Maori in Melbourne have waited 25 odd years for a Marae. Somewhere Maoris of any tribe can be together and share who we are, especially for those like myself who are lucky enough to grow up surrounded by Maoridom. .
Aroha
June 6, 2011
Kia ora Aroha,
That was so well put. You, we and them totally deserve our dream.
Aroha
June 6, 2011
Kia ora Aroha,
That was so well put. You, we and them totally deserve our dream.
Ko Mataatua taku Waka
Ko Ngati Awa,Ngai te Rangi nga Iwi
Ko Rangitaiki taku Awa
Ko Putauaki taku Maunga
Ko Wairaka taku Marae
Ko Roger taku ingoa
I have said my piece in a prior letter outlining why it is essential that a Marae be built in Melbourne. Subsequent and previous supporters of the concept have made their feelings known in this forum to their great credit.
I would like to comment briefly on a remark made about there being earlier inhabitants (of an entirely different race) in Aotearoa before the coming of the Maori.
This myth was taught in schools when I was growing up in New Zealand whereas in actual fact there is no historical, cultural or archaeological evidence to support this fallacy.
The reigning historical consensus is that the people who eventually migrated to the Chatham Islands were in fact merely earlier arrivals of the same people, that is, Maori.
It is also documented that these Chatham Islanders evolved their own unique culture of pacifism over the generations, a way of life that ultimately added to their near total destruction as warlike mainlanders invaded their seemingly Utopian habitat.
Arohanui ki a koutou katoa
Roger Dodd
July 1, 2011
Ko Ngati Awa,Ngai te Rangi nga Iwi
Ko Rangitaiki taku Awa
Ko Putauaki taku Maunga
Ko Wairaka taku Marae
Ko Roger taku ingoa
I have said my piece in a prior letter outlining why it is essential that a Marae be built in Melbourne. Subsequent and previous supporters of the concept have made their feelings known in this forum to their great credit.
I would like to comment briefly on a remark made about there being earlier inhabitants (of an entirely different race) in Aotearoa before the coming of the Maori.
This myth was taught in schools when I was growing up in New Zealand whereas in actual fact there is no historical, cultural or archaeological evidence to support this fallacy.
The reigning historical consensus is that the people who eventually migrated to the Chatham Islands were in fact merely earlier arrivals of the same people, that is, Maori.
It is also documented that these Chatham Islanders evolved their own unique culture of pacifism over the generations, a way of life that ultimately added to their near total destruction as warlike mainlanders invaded their seemingly Utopian habitat.
Arohanui ki a koutou katoa
Roger Dodd
July 1, 2011